Men, Lizard Brains and Sexual Boundaries

I came across the following article on Salon in which a woman asks Cary Tennis whether she should disclose to her friend that her friend's husband, after the friend went to bed for the evening, tried to seduce her on their couch while she watched TV with her friend's husband. He did not answer the question, but stated:


Dear No Clue,


When you stay over at her house, your friend doesn't have you and her husband sleep naked together in the same bed, does she?


She doesn't have you shower with her husband, right?


We understand these things. There are certain cues to arousal that we try to remove from the chaste realm of family, so that sexual taboos remain intact. We try not to let children look at pornography. The wife does not parade naked around the house in front of male guests. And the husband does not sleep naked in the same bed as the wife's friend.


Other cues to arousal are less obvious. Some boundaries are less clear. And some people are aroused by situations that seem innocuous to others. I'm not saying that watching TV on the couch is a big turn-on and everybody should know that. Yet I suspect that there is something about this situation in which friendship, family and sexual intimacy come together in a confusing and unhealthy way. And I assume that everybody plays a role in such confusing triangles — you, the wife and the husband.


Now, I know that if given a written test he could tell the difference between you and his wife. And logically he knows that it's not OK for him to seduce his wife's friend. But if you test the lizard brain, it just says, "Ugh. Woman on couch. Rub feet. Get boner."


I'm not making excuses for him. He's way out of line. Nor am I blaming the wife. A wife ought to be able to go to bed and leave her husband in a room with her friend without fear that he's going to hit on her. And you ought to be able to sit in a room and watch TV with your friend's husband without his hitting on you.


I guess what I'm arguing for is greater self-protective awareness of the complexity and variation in human behavior. Things are not always going to be as they should. People don't always act right. You need to recognize a bad situation and take care of yourself — which you did, after a fashion, though I'm troubled by the fact that you "made your excuses." You don't need to make your excuses, girl! You need to get that man's cotton-picking hands off you!


You need to say, "Get your goddamn hands off me, you moron, I do not want a fucking foot rub, I'm so off limits you need an East German passport just to sit next to me."


The thing is, I believe that we are more animal and primitive than we pretend, and that is why cultures have evolved fairly strict taboos to preserve marriage. While consciously we know that friends of our wives are off limits, no woman is off limits to our unconscious desires; it's always at work seducing people regardless of taboo. That's why taboos, to be effective, must be not only understood mentally but enforced physically through customs and conscious behavior.


In some cultures strict control is kept over single women. That is oppressive. Women ought to be free. Men ought to control themselves. Instead of controlling their own behavior, some men in positions of power try to control women. That is wrong.


I am against controlling women. I am for maximum freedom. But with maximum freedom comes maximum responsibility. Not everyone is going to play by the rules and it is foolish to pretend that they will. Things are going to happen. You've got to set your own boundaries.


Mohammad

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   Nothing beats the veil,

 


 Nothing beats the veil, ala Afghanistan, as a sexual boundary!


Men and lizard brains are stopped cold by such an encompassing boundary.

"Nothing beats the veil, ala

"Nothing beats the veil, ala Afghanistan, as a sexual boundary! Men and lizard brains are stopped cold by such an encompassing boundary."


You couldn't be further from the truth. That remark is right up there with "Sheikh" Hilali of the "raw meat" fame. Unfortunately Hilali is not alone. I just posted the following article excerpt on Umar Lee's blog.


“Presenter Amr Adib asked who was responsible for rape, and Sheikh Hilali replied that the man was responsible but the woman also had a responsibility for her behaviour.


Fellow guest Sheikh Khalid al-Jindi, a regular commentator, interjected: “Is it the flies’ fault if the food is on display? If you put petrol and then add a spark, won’t the street be on fire?”


Adib: “But where is the responsibility?”


Sheikh Jindi: “The responsibility is first, second and third with the woman — then with the man.”


Sheikh Jindi said they were not justifying anything, just trying to establish degrees of responsibility. Sheikh Hilali replied: “If I put it that way in Australia, the whole country would be in uproar.”


Source: theage.com.au


I guess that goes to show you, you can say just about anything regarding women in a Muslim country and nobody will care… To suggest that women need burqas to protect themselves from a man's inappropriate behavior or even violence, only indicates how far we have to go.


Salaam, PM


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That's MS. Mutawwa to you, Sir.

It is an odd thing. There

It is an odd thing. There is an art to saying “no” and women are not always taught it. There is also an art to accepting “no” and men are not always taught it.

al-Jindi al-Jindi dishonored

al-Jindi


al-Jindi dishonored males (or is it men) by referring to them as ‘flies’.


for him to think of himself as such, is OK. i would not refer to him as ‘sheikh’ since his behavior is governed not by the mind rather by instincts.


is Jindi some kind of a “Lord of the Flies”?

'I guess that goes to show

‘I guess that goes to show you, you can say just about anything regarding women in a Muslim country and nobody will care…‘PM


The problem goes beyond women. one could say just about anything regarding anything and nobody would care.


That is unless the power structure is questioned!


women as meat and men as flies are symptoms of a larger cultural challenge. The Western culture has gone further than any other culture in appreciating what it means to be human. Muslims are often enamored by the “idea” that Islam is second to none in recognizing a person’s responsibility and unique relationships to God.


Westerners think and do; Muslims are not allowed to think and if they do think, they are not allowed to do.


They mistake inertial for sakinah.

"They mistake inertial for

“They mistake inertial for sakinah”


This is a poem.

Salam alaikum, When I was

Salam alaikum,


When I was studying Arabic in Irbid, Jordan almost 20 years ago, young Jordanian women who were subject to inappropriate "touching" or the like were known to take off  their shoes and hit the fellow with the heels of their shoes . . .  That's a pretty good signal.


Mohammad

And what is the signal to be

And what is the signal to be taught boys so that as men they have some boundaries?

Well, there is an Arabic

Well, there is an Arabic saying: the one whose parents don't teach him manners, time does. 


Mohammad

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