Naeem Jeenah's Response to God, uh, I mean Ali Eteraz
A big problem with the Progressive Islam discourse is that many of you North Americans seem to think you are the world. You arent! The term "Progressive Islam" didnt start in North America, the term "Progressive Muslim" did not start in North America. "Progressive Islam" was a movement long before the founders of PMU discovered the term (and I use the word "discovered" in the same way that colonialists used it to talk of parts of the world they'd never seen and suddenly landed on).
And since the term didnt start in North America, i doubt it will be killed in North America. Eteraz, while the PMU started, formed its board and stuctures, then died a death that was sometimes slow and somtimes fast, the term "Progressive Muslim" was still being used and continually debated in other parts of the world. In South Africa, for example. With the debaters mostly being blissfully unaware of the shenanigans of the PMU. And why should they care? After all, they were using the term before the PMU was conceived, before Omid Safi even conceived his book. And it always meant to them something different to what it meant to the "big-tenters" of the PMU.
It always included, for them, a theology, a juridical basis. When they – in places like Indonesia and South Africa and other places – have been having women-led salahs for years (and not in once-off spectacular media events but in sustained congregations that were nurtured over time), they didnt do it because it seemed like a good fad; they did it because they had worked through the debates and the scholars among them were convinced, together with them, that it was not inconsistent with our scholarly tradition.
IF "Progressive Islam" dies in North America (and Im in no position to give it a prognosis, declare it dead or to perform its janazah salah), it wont be because "Progressive Islam" has no juridical basis, but because those who arrogantly regard themselves as the vanguard of a movement they do not understand think they dont need such a basis. The rest of the world, in the meanwhile, will continue with various different priorities and develop all kinds of other "progressive islams" and, hopefully, wont give a damn about the North Americans who believe they are Allah's gift to the Muslim ummah. And I make this last statement because some US "Progressive Muslims" have actually commented that they will lead the muslim world into a new, reformed islam. Sounds to me like the American president who wants to bring democracy to the Muslim World. I question whether he knows what democracy is, and whether he knows what the Muslim World is.
I dont like thinking that "everything will be for 3 generations from now" or for this generation or for 10 generations from now. Frankly, I dont care. I dont do what I do for the results. I do it because its the right thing to do; because my faith allows me to be comfortable with it. A most important lesson which I learnt after I returned from hajj (taught to me, btw, by Amina Wadud), was that my task is only to strive; the results do not belong to me, they are Allah's. I dont care what happens in 3 generations and whether my struggles will ever has positive results.
The mosque that I go to in Johannesburg for Eid organises the salah in open field, with men and women side-by-side (in gendered blocks :) and the imam standing on the left side of the block of men so that he is almost in the middle between the men and women. Oh, and theres no lace or any other kind of partition separating the sexes.
Naeem Jeenah is a South African progressive Muslim, an author, journalist, community leader and post-graduate student. He is currently a PhD candidate and Director: Operations of the Freedom of Expression Institute. He is former President of the Muslim Youth Movement of South Africa and a founder of its Gender Desk; Coordinator of Masjidul Islam in Johannesburg; spokesperson for South Africa's Palestine Solidarity Committee.

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I'm so so so so thrilled to
I’m so so so so thrilled to have had this posted here. For those of you who don’t know, there is a little book not listed in the bio called “Journey of Discovery: A South African Hajj”. 150 pages of hajj through the eyes Progressive Islam (if I may be so bold).
Salaams.
Thank you for this. It's
Thank you for this. It’s summarized what I’ve felt for a long time about the West-centric assumptions of progressivism that are all too common.
When American and European Muslims talk about progressivism, they are talking mainly about cultural issues. That’s because their legal systems and politics are already largely secular and hence fairly progressive.
But things are very different in the communities where most Muslims still live, where there is still a risk of someone being unjustly accused of adultery and stoned to death.
Points well taken, but I
Points well taken, but I tire of the banality of the attitude of: “if it comes from the US, I don’t want it just because it comes from the US”... dare I ask if such an attitude contributed to the personality frictions?
- A Salafi in worship, a Sufi in society, a Secularist in government.
(Never thought the day would
(Never thought the day would come when I’d be defending Ali Eteraz).
I have actually forcibly kept myself from developing an opinion on this. Ali has his view, you have yours; but since I’ve seen equally grand and sweeping statements from the progressives both at this site and others, I really am not sure how appropriate it is to imply that Ali has a god complex. It’s a pretty serious thing to accuse someone of, in my view, and someone having a disagreeable opinion of the social or historical place of a movement does not warrant it.
I’m not trying to be rude or argumentative. I don’t want a dog in this race, I have my own stuff to work on. Thank you for reading this.
Not saying that Ali has a
Not saying that Ali has a god complex, saying in this instance he is making rather sweeping conclusions that he is short of knowledge and experience to judge. Thus the use of the sense “God has spoken.” I could have said, “From your mouth to God’s ear.” It does not mean the person has a god complex, it means the person is over-reaching. This is common usage.
I do not think we are
I do not think we are talking about “if it comes from america we do not want it” but rather than americans think for themselves, but not necessarily others, and when americans take up an idea, it does not become inherently valuable or meaningful because they have done so. It is a global perspective, not an american isolationsist or anti-american perspective. It is there to remind us that we are all in this boat together and americans don’t have the final vote on global issues, no matter how the US runs the UN, etc….
Laury, if I'm at an
Laury, if I’m at an international conference or the UN or at the State Department or writing a history of Progressivism in Islamic Thought, then its completely appropriate. However, localizing an idea is important for adoption in America. We’ve got the power because we’re on top and people imitate us (I’m not saying its right, but anthropologically speaking, do you know what I mean?). So, if I told someone, “Let’s do this because the South Africans have been doing it for years” could easily elicit a, “Oh, that’s nice” or even a, “So the F what”. In ordinary discourse, its simply not relevant and Naeem’s comment about that part comes off as just disliking not getting any love for being recognized as being the first.
- A Salafi in worship, a Sufi in society, a Secularist in government.
Ali must have said something
Ali must have said something true to get such a rise out of y’all. LoL