Laury, honey, I love this!
I was talking with a Muslim woman yesterday who seemed to not get the idea that a good believer is above all, a good neighbor, and does not parade around his/her faith while acting like a jerk. While I don’t think that the real Jesus and Mo would be pounding them back at the pub, I could imagine them having a companionable cup of tea, while lamenting the stuff idiots do in their name- then having a good laugh.

Missionaries are full of it, the pricks. You, on the other hand are a fucking idiot for posting these cartoons.

Ha ha! Thanks for that.

Gmasala, less anger and name-calling, amigo. Seriously, It’s almost as haraam as some of the nonsense they’ve been advocating on this site.

That being said, Laury, I’m a little baffled that you think this guys comics are “brilliant”. Ignoring the somewhat disrespectful nature of the one you posted, he’s done many that directly attack and slander Muhammad (saws) and is a pretty strident Islamaphobe and, I would say, racist.

I hear that DA. I’m baffled that people calling themselves Muslims are posting this sort of shit.

Wow, DA and Marsala, all I can say is Adab, Adab, Adab.

Ok right, let’s forget inner-sarcasm or self-criticism and call your ideas what they are; a call for the return to the Jahiliyya!

Never mind Laury.

Blog on in spite of the trolls.

I hate the term adab.

Adab to me is more about mind and speech control, it’s the Muslim version of PC which has led Muslims to live in bubbles.

I just looked on the Jesus and Mo site and I am CRYING with laughter. That has made my day. Jazak Allah!

Wasalaam

“I replied for myself, ‘Oh thanks, I’m saved. It’s cool.’”

I’m so not saved. And I’ve come to think that’s cool. For me, anyway.

For me, the desire to see myself as “saved” has been a recurrent temptation. I’d like to overcome it.

Gmasala and DA, serious humor walks a fine line. One should realize that the Comic is not making fun of the Prophets (as) but what we believers make of them. This is what I meant when I said, “We do the same thing.” I was comparing the ugliness of his missionary activity to the ugliness of Muslims’ actions, their service to God to our service to God, their mixed intentions to ours. No one is “saved” and no one is “damned.” We are in a mess of humanity. I find that humor can capture that extraordinary situation best. But that is me. You need not share my taste in humor nor need you find illumination in humor. God is generous and teaches everyone in different ways.

Thanks my sisters for their support!

“Wow, DA and Marsala, all I can say is Adab, Adab, Adab.”

Well, I responded to Laury politely. And urged Gmasala to do likewise. So, I’d advise you to shut the fuck up :-) See. NOW I’m being rude. Note the difference.

Anyway, “Adab” on this site seems to mean being passive-aggressive, snide, and/or condescending. Let’s say what we mean and mean what we say.

“Ok right, let’s forget inner-sarcasm or self-criticism and call your ideas what they are; a call for the return to the Jahiliyya!”

I’m ahuge advocate of self-examination, and I see less and less among the progressive movement every time I have contact with them. “Self-examination” means sectarian self-righteousness, hey let’s not critique ourselves, just the “fundamentalists”. At least with the Khawarij, they admit they’re closed-minded zealots.

And calls for okaying a Sodom and Gammorah lifestyle as “Islamic” are most definately a return to Jahiliya.

Laury, have you actually read most of that guy’s cartoons? Besides just being inane (haha, muhammad talking like a gangsta, that’s so hilarious!), he accuses him of murder, theft, and deceipt. I’m not calling for the Salman Rushdie treatment, but if that’s your idea of brilliant satire, umm, yeah, not to be a prick but I really think you’re smarter than that.

Well, I just went back and looked through them for about 1/2 an hour. Some I had seen, some I had not. The Comic is brilliant. Not every single strip is funny. S/He is not God, s/he is probably an atheist, s/he is probably the barmaid. She, then, is very funny and has a nice critical eye for the stupidity that religious people lob at each other, the world, and onto their blessed Prophets.

I have an idea that will resolve the matter entirely, do not read them if you think they are not funny or have nothing to teach you.

DA, if you are going to pull the maligned and silenced right winger claim, then you’d have to ignore the fact that very few of the contributors here consider themselves progressive, that Ilan and I encourage and seek out contributions from every side of the Muslim spectrum, that we support free speech and disagreement to the point of leaving up vulgar responses as long as they have content (such as GMasala’s above), in fact I wish I didn’t have to delete any comments at all. I can handle the vulgarity. I like free speech even if I do not take pleasure in contentless use of vulgarity. Ilan and I are so irritatingly constitutional that we support the freedoms of the people we devote our lives to fighting.

As the well-known and misattributed quote of T. Jefferson goes, “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

I wish everyone would just finally admit that we are not silencing anyone here, we have not silenced anyone here, we reserve the right to disagree on some things as long as we live, and we also reserve the right to take risks, be wrong, and admit our own mistakes. Finally consider that if an argument does not go over well, it may be because the argument does not hold up under scrutiny.

Warning: the strict protection of freedom of expression on this site is not likely to change.

Where on earth did I say you should silence anyone? Seriously, where? My opinion is that it’s unbefitting for a Muslim to promote this trash. Where you got the idea that I’m all about ruthless surpression, I have no clue.

Honestly, maybe I misunderstood this sentence:

“and I see less and less among the progressive movement every time I have contact with them. “Self-examination” means sectarian self-righteousness, hey let’s not critique ourselves, just the “fundamentalists”. At least with the Khawarij, they admit they’re closed-minded zealots.”

Muslims can be so humorless and prickly about..well…just about everything. Why can’t we laugh at ourselves once in a while?

I agree Reluctant Muslim, but laughing at and insulting the Prophets is way out of line. A little more backbone and little less bullshit would do plenty us all plenty good.

Simple, we’re not Jews.

Muslims complain that Jews lack reverence, they even wrestled with God in the Old Testament.

Muslims portray God in this omnipotent patriarch or as tribal Bedouin Arab leader, he is not to be messed with, but in Judaism and Christianity, God is more humanlike and approachable.

Uh, Gustavo, tribal bedouin Arab leaders in the seventh century were “first among equals.” They were pretty approachable.

But I’d agree that for many Muslims today, God is more like a capricious sultan if not a modern dictator. So you don’t “wrestle” with “him”, you slavishly try to convince “him” (or at least, his worldly representatives) that you really are living up to what you’re told that you’re supposed to, even though you can’t possibly.

Like Saddam, this vision of God has no appreciation of joy, no love for those who don’t fit into neat little boxes, no compassion for the weak, and is profoundly threatened by human critical questioning and creativity. And “he” also boundless imagination when it comes to torturing people.

It’s called “Islam”, which denotes submission to allah. It’s not like allah is right 99% of the time and you’re right 1% it’s that allah is always right and when you go against hu you’re simply at odds with truth itself. If you want to argue with Allah, well, fine, but Islam really has no room for it.

DA,

We are not arguing against submission to God, but many Muslims have taken it upon themselves to be “wordly representatives of Truth” and if you do not conform to their vision of Islam, they usually have punitive measures waiting for you.

To me an imam only leads the faithful to prayer, but their understanding of Truth is no more valid than yours or mines.